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GERARD BATTEN : THE MIDAS TOUCH

Everything Gerard Batten touches turns to gold. He simply cannot fail – When he took over the leadership of UKIP the party was in a state of implosion with the obituary writers just sharpening their pens to record the final collapse. It was all over , done and dusted , finished or so it seemed , but Batten had different ideas and he was hardly in the door before he had halted the exodus from the party and begun , over the space of a few short months , to put the finances of the party back in the red. Batten looked and sounded like a leader , someone who knew what he wanted and knew how to get it. He was comfortable in front of the TV cameras and projected the image of a strong man who knew his own mind – He was impressive , no question about that.

Nothing quite succeeds like success and soon major YouTubers with huge followings were flocking to his side while an army of disgruntled ex UKIPers were returning to the fold in ever larger numbers. Even his worst enemies would have to admit that he was doing everything right when, just at the right moment Tommy Robinson found himself in jail for contempt of court putting in motion chain of events which potentially could bring millions of new member into the ranks of UKIP.  God it seems , was on Gerard Battens side , there could be no other explanation . Batten was getting more TV coverage than Nigel Farage and looked ever more the national figure with each passing minute and it has to be admitted that he played his hand well , very well , in all of this and did not miss a single trick.

None of this bodes well for For Britain , at least in the short to medium term. When Anne Marie Waters founded For Britain she might reasonably have expected to pick up many ex UKIP votes and members , and with a UKIP that was becoming less relevant by the second her party could have hoped to attract the dissident ‘ right’ vote in any future election at national or local level , but now even the most committed For Britain member must be wondering if For Britain has any future at all.  Certainly this has knocked For Britain back – this was not exactly part of the plan and Batten is no Henry Bolton…….this is not going to be the walk over that some For Britain members might have thought it was going to be.

There can be little doubt that if an election is called in the near future UKIP will probable do well , how well is anyone guess , but all the polls look promising from UKIP’s point of view and if these predictions come true it could be embarrassing for For Britain is they fail to attract at least a respectable vote in the relatively few seats they have the manpower or funds to contest , and while no one in For Britain with any intelligence believed it would be easy few expected it might get this hard. This was definitely not part of the plan. The harsh reality is that most British people have never heard of the For Britain Movement or Anne Marie Waters and if the mainstream media have their way it will stay like that.

Of course , even if there is an election and UKIP do well , there are still a lot of quite powerful people in UKIP who hate Batten’s guts and would love to get rid of him at almost any cost and if an internal war were to erupt it might just tear UKIP apart. Batten has a somewhat arrogant manner , there is a bit of the upstart about him , a swagger that has only come to the fore in very recent times and he is rubbing all the right people up the wrong way and while it is undoubtedly true that nothing succeeds like success the opposite is equally true and pride , arrogance and over confidence can lead to a terrible and ignoble fall. Cynics might argue that Batten was a relatively quiet and inactive voice in UKIP untill Anne Marie Waters decided to set up her own party and that his interest in Tommy Robinson developed in tandem with Robinson’s breakthrough rise to prominence and international fame since his stint in prison and even those who don’t have a cynical bone in their bodies might come to the same conclusion.

 

Published in forbritainforum.com

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TOMMY ROBINSON BREXIT BETRAYAL PROTEST

Tommy Robinson has just announced a Brexit Betrayal protest to be held in London on the 9th. December. He made the announcement in a video posted on his YouTube channel where he can be seen sitting side by side with the leader of UKIP , Gerard Batten. Batten‘s body language and general manner is odd … he is not his usual emphatic self…or so it seems to me.

Batten is still pushing for Robinson to be admitted into UKIP. His relationship with Robinson is complex and , in my opinion  , parasitic . Batten supports the UKIP ban on members and ex members of the EDL but insists that Robinson is a special case but the reality is that there is no difference between the opinions of most EDL members and those of Robinson. Most members of the EDL are decent , liberal-minded people but they are not politically sexy ….they are often poor people from deprived communities and are universally despised and slandered for that very reason , often being refered to as ‘ knuckle draggers  and other abusive terms. The only reason for this UKIP ban is that Batten and UKIP are terrified of the press and are playing the same game as Nigel Farage was when he called Anne Marie Water’s and her supporters Nazis.  The fact that Batten and UKIP were themselves called racist , bigoted and Nazi only compounds the insult to the EDL. As I have already said , there is no substantive difference between Tommy Robinson and the average EDL member but Robinson IS politically very sexy with his combination of fame and notoriety and his ever-growing public profile especially since his last stint in prison , as opposed to the EDL who are politically toxic.

Batten’s courtship of Tommy Robinson might of course backfire – There are many in UKIP , especially in the leadership , who believe that having Robinson as a member might be the death knell of the party.  Many brexiteers will be equally unhappy to see Robinson at the helm of this Brexit Betrayal protest , feeling that UKIP should be leading and be seen to be leading on this issue. It could also seriously split the Brexit movement. Either way , Batten is playing a dangerous game …… Robinson is not a politician and while he is highly successful as a street agitator and activist of sorts,  politics requires a very different kind of intelligence and cunning , not to mention cynicism and coldness of temperament. Robinson is intelligent but he is also impulsive and many of his hangers-on are colorful if not downright shady characters , to say the least.

Anne Marie Waters , in the mean time , is working away in the background building new branches of her party and putting the message out and at this stage of the game that is about all she can do. And her message is clear , there is no ambiguity , there is no need to read between the lines……….And as things get worse , as the oppression becomes ever more oppressive and affects more and more ordinary people maybe her day at last will come.

RESISTING HATE PUTS FOR BRITAIN ON HATE LIST

Resisting Hate , the well know hate group , has placed For Britain and Anne Marie Waters on its hate list. Needless to say Tommy Robinson , the EDL and various others are also included on this list as are many of your favorite YouTubers – even RedPillPhil and Toni Bugle are to be found there. The person behind this group is someone called  Roanna who seems to write most of the articles on the Resisting Hate website.  Roanna is concerned that certain people may not be properly qualified to vote………..

” My primary concern is that a proportion of the electorate simply do not have enough political knowledge to express an informed choice in the ballot box. I remember being asked on the run up to the last General Election by a potential voter whether she should vote for “Labour, The Conservatives or the Tory Party…” Another friend on social media could name neither the leader of the Opposition nor the current Chancellor. In the week prior to the EU referendum I was asked repeatedly whether I thought Britain should “leave Europe.”
Ignorance is not the same as lack of intelligence. These are not stupid people, they are simply people who do not take an interest in politics and as a result have not sought out the information needed to make an informed vote. But I would argue that if you cannot find or make the time to gain a rudimentary understanding of the political parties and the policies they are promoting then casting a vote is irresponsible as it skews the outcome based on lack of facts and not informed opinion. “.

Needless to say , Roanna herself is well-informed and qualified ! There is a page on the Resisting Hate site which has a long list of anti semitic tweets which were published on GAB. I glanced at 3 or 4 of these but as I find this kind of thing off- putting I did not linger there but I could not help but reflect on the fact that Roanna obviously had a much stronger stomach than I ……..and it really does make you wonder exactly what is going on in the dark recesses of the minds of people like Roanna who go hunting for this stuff with an almost religious zeal.

It is , of course , easy to laugh at people like this and many do , but that is a fatal mistake. There is nothing to laugh at here and the sooner those on the ‘right’ learn this the better.

TOMMY ROBINSON JOINING UKIP?

In the last few days Tommy Robinson has stated that he will join UKIP if he is permitted to do so. There is a ban on members and past members of the EDL and other groups from joining UKIP but Gerard Batten , UKIP’s leader , has indicated that this ban might be lifted in the case of Robinson. In a YouTube video Robinson challenged the UKIP NEC to permit the membership to vote on the issue. Since then that is what in fact has happened and the matter will be voted on by members of UKIP at their next annual conference in a few months time.

UKIP’s ban on members or past member of the EDL joining UKIP will remain in place but there is no ban on members of the labour party or members of Stand Up To Racist , Hope Not Hate and other such extreme and divisive groups. There is , in short , no UKIP ban when it comes to people who call black people , immigrants , white people , gays and anyone else who raises concerns about Islamic immigration scum. The fact that Robinson is willing , and seemingly anxious , to join UKIP in spite of this is not a good reflection on Robinson himself.  Batten’s contempt for the EDL and Robinson is very clear in an interview between the two men which was posted on YouTube not long ago.  In this interview Robinson asks Batten about the fact that he ( Robinson ) has been called racist and bigoted by senior figures within UKIP which Batten cynically dismisses as simply a manifestation of free speech within the party. Batten has only started speaking out about Islam since Anne Marie Waters , herself an ex UKIP member and an outspoken critic of Islam , started her own  For Britain Movement party.  Ironically Batten recently stated that while members of For Britain were welcome to join UKIP Waters herself was not.

The EDL is not and never has been a racist organisation. It has had , and still has , more than its fair share of blacks , gays , jews and immigrants within its ranks. It is however , in spite of this , despised and condemned as racist , bigoted and far right.  The fact that it is a movement whose membership is made up , in large part , of people from very deprived communities and sometimes dysfunctional families and backgrounds means that they are fair game for every bigot and anti white , anti working class hate filled individual who wants to vent his or her hatred in a society where it no longer acceptable to abuse marginalized people as it once might have been. There is a huge class element to all this…….’ unfortunately many working class people  are themselves more than happy to vilify these people in the most ignorant and hateful language.. You can , and people do , call members of the EDL names that if addressed towards anyone else would certainly lead to a criminal conviction on the grounds of hate speech.  The fact that UKIP has singled out these most vulnerable of people is unforgivable and should leave no doubts in the minds of reasonable people as to the true nature of this political party but in spite of this huge numbers of mostly working class people are taken in and are joining UKIP.  There is an excellent speech by Anne Marie Waters during which she is asked about Batten’s sudden interest in the Islam question which I would recommend everyone to watch.

It is possible , some would argue even likely , that the membership of UKIP will reject any application for membership made by Robinson and from UKIP’s point of view it is far from obvious that it would be a good move on their part to grant him that membership. It could , in fact , be the final nail in the coffin for UKIP.  Either way it is sure to damage Robinson’s reputation and standing as a working class hero and divide the working class / democratic / nationalist vote and the broader anti -multiculturalism movement.  Yes , we are living in interesting times – and thttps://wordpress.com/post/forbritainforum.com/165e hey are becoming more interestinger and interestinger by the minute……………….

since posting this Robinson’s application has been denied…………..https://wordpress.com/post/forbritainforum.com/165

COMMUNITY AND COHESION IN BIRMINGHAM MAY 2018

“The city is also very diverse, with 42% of the population being from an ethnic minority background, reflecting the city’s rich and varied cultural heritage. Birmingham is a “super-diverse” city. Academic research suggests that there are people from nearly 200 countries who have made Birmingham their home . The 2011 Census revealed that 42.1% classified themselves within an ethnic group other than white British, compared to 30% in 2001, a rise of 12%. Birmingham is soon to become a majority minority city. The demographic makeup of Birmingham’s young people has also changed significantly over recent years and is becoming increasingly diverse. For example, according to the 2011 census over 60% of the under 18 population is now from a non-white British background, compared to around 44% in 2001. Ethnic diversity can bring many benefits such as transnational trading links and high levels of cultural resource. Birmingham has benefited from its diverse migrant communities who have settled in the city and successfully contributed to its economic vitality, becoming leaders in education, medicine, sports, arts and business and providing employment opportunities to local people. Our demographic landscape is increasingly becoming ethnically and socially ‘super diverse’, which means a greater understanding of the changes in cultural norms, identities and social shifts in how we live work and learn is needed. Community cohesion is an approach that enables us to respond to the wide ranging and kaleidoscope of identities, rather than simply focussing on a white majority and small number of ethnic minority identities.”

The above is a short extract from the Draft Community Cohesion  Strategy of May 2018 . Don’t waste time reading it as you have heard it all before. In a statement by Birmingham City Council on community cohesion you will find the following –

  • no promotion or unwitting support is given to individuals or groups that promote and propagate messages of hate and intolerance
  • ensure appropriate linkage to the Prevent programme where appropriate
  • ensure all schools and educational settings promote our shared British values
  • challenge illegal and harmful cultural attitudes and practices towards women such as Female Genital Mutilation, Forced Marriage and Honour-Based Violence
  • actively promote opportunities for cross-community interactions in order to strengthen relationships and common bonds between communities of different backgrounds and isolate extreme voices
  • encourage communities to report incidents of hate crime including anti-Semitism, Islamophobia or homophobic behaviour.

All you need to know here is that Birmingham has one of the highest rates of FGM in the UK so that will tell you what they mean by ‘challenging’ the issue.

 

 

OUR DEMOCRACY IS DEAD

 

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Our democracy is dead and left-wing fascism has replaced it. Islam now utterly dominates and the press, the police, and the government have fallen in to line. If we are to survive, with any freedoms intact, we must fight our own government, and our own press. We have an enormous task, but we also have the greatest weapon of all – the truth about the teachings of Islam. Nothing can take that away. AMW  June 2018.    Jihad Watch.

THE JORDAN PETERSON ROAD SHOW

Jordan Peterson , Sam Harris and Douglas Murray will be doing a gig in London and Dublin in mid July 2018. Peterson who’s C4 interview with Kathy Newman has been watched by over 10 million people is the star of the show – and this , of course , is the point . Its show business folks !

I have watched Peterson and Murray for several years now as well as many other Youtubers but I have been watching them less and less in recent times and have come to the conclusion that they may be doing more harm than good.  Murray , to his credit has , if not defended the EDL then at least put them and their street protest movement in some sort of informed context but he is very much the exception and even he has a certain attitude towards working class people which I , as a working class person , find  offensive and indicative of prejudice on Murray’s part. But compared to the rest of them he is quite radical and serious and fair in his analysis of political events. But it really gets my goat when people like Dave Rubin speak of the creation of an intellectual elite of which he himself of course is a member.  Give me a woman like Anne Marie Waters any day of the week.

If I am looking for wisdom I will look to political parties such as the For Britain Movement and if I want to be entertained I will listen to Elvis.