Europe of Nations and Freedom Vice President Janice Atkinson in conversation with the leader of For Britain in Brussels 2018
Everything Gerard Batten touches turns to gold. He simply cannot fail – When he took over the leadership of UKIP the party was in a state of implosion with the obituary writers just sharpening their pens to record the final collapse. It was all over , done and dusted , finished or so it seemed , but Batten had different ideas and he was hardly in the door before he had halted the exodus from the party and begun , over the space of a few short months , to put the finances of the party back in the red. Batten looked and sounded like a leader , someone who knew what he wanted and knew how to get it. He was comfortable in front of the TV cameras and projected the image of a strong man who knew his own mind – He was impressive , no question about that.
Nothing quite succeeds like success and soon major YouTubers with huge followings were flocking to his side while an army of disgruntled ex UKIPers were returning to the fold in ever larger numbers. Even his worst enemies would have to admit that he was doing everything right when, just at the right moment Tommy Robinson found himself in jail for contempt of court putting in motion chain of events which potentially could bring millions of new member into the ranks of UKIP. God it seems , was on Gerard Battens side , there could be no other explanation . Batten was getting more TV coverage than Nigel Farage and looked ever more the national figure with each passing minute and it has to be admitted that he played his hand well , very well , in all of this and did not miss a single trick.
None of this bodes well for For Britain , at least in the short to medium term. When Anne Marie Waters founded For Britain she might reasonably have expected to pick up many ex UKIP votes and members , and with a UKIP that was becoming less relevant by the second her party could have hoped to attract the dissident ‘ right’ vote in any future election at national or local level , but now even the most committed For Britain member must be wondering if For Britain has any future at all. Certainly this has knocked For Britain back – this was not exactly part of the plan and Batten is no Henry Bolton…….this is not going to be the walk over that some For Britain members might have thought it was going to be.
There can be little doubt that if an election is called in the near future UKIP will probable do well , how well is anyone guess , but all the polls look promising from UKIP’s point of view and if these predictions come true it could be embarrassing for For Britain is they fail to attract at least a respectable vote in the relatively few seats they have the manpower or funds to contest , and while no one in For Britain with any intelligence believed it would be easy few expected it might get this hard. This was definitely not part of the plan. The harsh reality is that most British people have never heard of the For Britain Movement or Anne Marie Waters and if the mainstream media have their way it will stay like that.
Of course , even if there is an election and UKIP do well , there are still a lot of quite powerful people in UKIP who hate Batten’s guts and would love to get rid of him at almost any cost and if an internal war were to erupt it might just tear UKIP apart. Batten has a somewhat arrogant manner , there is a bit of the upstart about him , a swagger that has only come to the fore in very recent times and he is rubbing all the right people up the wrong way and while it is undoubtedly true that nothing succeeds like success the opposite is equally true and pride , arrogance and over confidence can lead to a terrible and ignoble fall. Cynics might argue that Batten was a relatively quiet and inactive voice in UKIP untill Anne Marie Waters decided to set up her own party and that his interest in Tommy Robinson developed in tandem with Robinson’s breakthrough rise to prominence and international fame since his stint in prison and even those who don’t have a cynical bone in their bodies might come to the same conclusion.
Published in forbritainforum.com
Tommy Robinson has just announced a Brexit Betrayal protest to be held in London on the 9th. December. He made the announcement in a video posted on his YouTube channel where he can be seen sitting side by side with the leader of UKIP , Gerard Batten. Batten‘s body language and general manner is odd … he is not his usual emphatic self…or so it seems to me.
Batten is still pushing for Robinson to be admitted into UKIP. His relationship with Robinson is complex and , in my opinion , parasitic . Batten supports the UKIP ban on members and ex members of the EDL but insists that Robinson is a special case but the reality is that there is no difference between the opinions of most EDL members and those of Robinson. Most members of the EDL are decent , liberal-minded people but they are not politically sexy ….they are often poor people from deprived communities and are universally despised and slandered for that very reason , often being refered to as ‘ knuckle draggers and other abusive terms. The only reason for this UKIP ban is that Batten and UKIP are terrified of the press and are playing the same game as Nigel Farage was when he called Anne Marie Water’s and her supporters Nazis. The fact that Batten and UKIP were themselves called racist , bigoted and Nazi only compounds the insult to the EDL. As I have already said , there is no substantive difference between Tommy Robinson and the average EDL member but Robinson IS politically very sexy with his combination of fame and notoriety and his ever-growing public profile especially since his last stint in prison , as opposed to the EDL who are politically toxic.
Batten’s courtship of Tommy Robinson might of course backfire – There are many in UKIP , especially in the leadership , who believe that having Robinson as a member might be the death knell of the party. Many brexiteers will be equally unhappy to see Robinson at the helm of this Brexit Betrayal protest , feeling that UKIP should be leading and be seen to be leading on this issue. It could also seriously split the Brexit movement. Either way , Batten is playing a dangerous game …… Robinson is not a politician and while he is highly successful as a street agitator and activist of sorts, politics requires a very different kind of intelligence and cunning , not to mention cynicism and coldness of temperament. Robinson is intelligent but he is also impulsive and many of his hangers-on are colorful if not downright shady characters , to say the least.
Anne Marie Waters , in the mean time , is working away in the background building new branches of her party and putting the message out and at this stage of the game that is about all she can do. And her message is clear , there is no ambiguity , there is no need to read between the lines……….And as things get worse , as the oppression becomes ever more oppressive and affects more and more ordinary people maybe her day at last will come.
The fact that Anne Marie Waters has been suspended from Twitter is hardly a suprise and soon there will be no one who is worth listening to left on Twitter or any of the other popular social media sites. There really is nothing left to say…….
In the last few days Tommy Robinson has stated that he will join UKIP if he is permitted to do so. There is a ban on members and past members of the EDL and other groups from joining UKIP but Gerard Batten , UKIP’s leader , has indicated that this ban might be lifted in the case of Robinson. In a YouTube video Robinson challenged the UKIP NEC to permit the membership to vote on the issue. Since then that is what in fact has happened and the matter will be voted on by members of UKIP at their next annual conference in a few months time.
UKIP’s ban on members or past member of the EDL joining UKIP will remain in place but there is no ban on members of the labour party or members of Stand Up To Racist , Hope Not Hate and other such extreme and divisive groups. There is , in short , no UKIP ban when it comes to people who call black people , immigrants , white people , gays and anyone else who raises concerns about Islamic immigration scum. The fact that Robinson is willing , and seemingly anxious , to join UKIP in spite of this is not a good reflection on Robinson himself. Batten’s contempt for the EDL and Robinson is very clear in an interview between the two men which was posted on YouTube not long ago. In this interview Robinson asks Batten about the fact that he ( Robinson ) has been called racist and bigoted by senior figures within UKIP which Batten cynically dismisses as simply a manifestation of free speech within the party. Batten has only started speaking out about Islam since Anne Marie Waters , herself an ex UKIP member and an outspoken critic of Islam , started her own For Britain Movement party. Ironically Batten recently stated that while members of For Britain were welcome to join UKIP Waters herself was not.
The EDL is not and never has been a racist organisation. It has had , and still has , more than its fair share of blacks , gays , jews and immigrants within its ranks. It is however , in spite of this , despised and condemned as racist , bigoted and far right. The fact that it is a movement whose membership is made up , in large part , of people from very deprived communities and sometimes dysfunctional families and backgrounds means that they are fair game for every bigot and anti white , anti working class hate filled individual who wants to vent his or her hatred in a society where it no longer acceptable to abuse marginalized people as it once might have been. There is a huge class element to all this…….’ unfortunately many working class people are themselves more than happy to vilify these people in the most ignorant and hateful language.. You can , and people do , call members of the EDL names that if addressed towards anyone else would certainly lead to a criminal conviction on the grounds of hate speech. The fact that UKIP has singled out these most vulnerable of people is unforgivable and should leave no doubts in the minds of reasonable people as to the true nature of this political party but in spite of this huge numbers of mostly working class people are taken in and are joining UKIP. There is an excellent speech by Anne Marie Waters during which she is asked about Batten’s sudden interest in the Islam question which I would recommend everyone to watch.
It is possible , some would argue even likely , that the membership of UKIP will reject any application for membership made by Robinson and from UKIP’s point of view it is far from obvious that it would be a good move on their part to grant him that membership. It could , in fact , be the final nail in the coffin for UKIP. Either way it is sure to damage Robinson’s reputation and standing as a working class hero and divide the working class / democratic / nationalist vote and the broader anti -multiculturalism movement. Yes , we are living in interesting times – and thttps://wordpress.com/post/forbritainforum.com/165e hey are becoming more interestinger and interestinger by the minute……………….
since posting this Robinson’s application has been denied…………..https://wordpress.com/post/forbritainforum.com/165
In a recent Gays Against Sharia facebook poll 57% of people said they would support UKIP while 43% said they supported For Britain. This was not a serious opinion poll but nevertheless it is probably a fair reflection of the state of play in the UKIP vs For Britain debate. On Youtube , Facebook , Twitter and elsewhere we hear the constant refrain that both parties should join together to fight the brexit battle , meaning of course that Anne Marie Waters and her followers in the For Britain Movement should join UKIP . For some time now Simon Harris of European Freedom has been auguring that For Britain should operate as a Mandate style group within UKIP , keeping pressure on Gerard Batton to remain true to his radical anti Muslim rhetoric………..It is a very persuasive argument and on the surface at least seems quite compelling.
Harris , who describes himself as a ‘ pragmatic ethno- nationalist’ has been repeating this viewpoint on his European Freedom website and Youtube channel for several months now and many , if not most , would probably agree with him. Meanwhile Batten has , in recent times , been playing a blinder on the Islam issue , appearing almost daily on Youtube and in the mainstream press – and looking very credible as a leader of the ‘right’ in the process. I have made my own position clear in a previous post so I wont repeat myself here.
Anne Marie is spending much of her time visiting For Britain branches and generally building up the party at local level which is as it should be at this stage but the question of ‘splitting the vote’ is being heard more and more with each day that passes. Indeed , it is becoming a real bone of contention for many who are clearly frustrated by what they see as some sort of personality politics by Anne Marie . UKIP or For Britain – the question is not going to go away – that much is for sure.
Ever since the Lewisham East by- election Anne Marie has been missing . So where is Anne Marie ? Shortly before this by-election Anne Marie stated publicly that Stand Up To Racism would not prevent her from appearing at the Lewisham hustings which is precisely what then happened. Prior to all this Anne Marie appeared almost daily on Youtube in her broadcasts to members and supporters of the For Britain Movement but this stopped more or less immediately following the by-election the result of which had been disappointing for For Britain. While all this is going on Gerard Batten is being interviewed almost daily on Youtube and looking every inch the natural leader of the ‘right’. And now today with the news that Farage may well be coming back to UKIP to head another Brexit campaign he is on Youtube and looking every bit the leader also. So where is Anne Marie ? Gerard Batten is capitalizing on Anne Marie’s absence big time – in particular in his Youtube appearances which have been coming one after another in rapid fire succession. And if the comments section of Youtube are anything to go by then he is winning people over big time.
As I said on this blog just a little over a week ago –
” Gerard Batten is a real problem for Anne Marie Waters and her For Britain Movement. People who might have been expected to join For Britain are now looking to Batten for leadership. Every time I go on Youtube or social media I hear more and more people say that Batten is the man. He , they believe , is the only one speaking out bravely against Islam and the mainstream. People are gullible and Batten knows how to capitalise on their gullibility. It is a sad fact that people , ordinary people , are often easily taken in. The history and ongoing success and popularity of the Labour Party is living proof of that. And for some reason or other people seems to like Batten.”
– So where is Anne Marie Waters ? A couple of weeks ago we had Sargon of Akkad and Paul Joseph Watson very publicly joining UKIP which Batten of course milked for all it was worth both in the press and on Youtube but yet again there was no sign of Anne Marie. Her absence is palpable – it is obvious to all and sundry to see ( or not see ) and the optics are all wrong. Her followers are asking this very question in the comments sections of the For Britain Youtube channel and none of this looks good.
If you a member or supporter of Stand Up To Racism this is no barrier to becoming a member of UKIP. The fact that members of this group regularly abuse , intimidate and bully black people , brown people , white people , immigrants and gays etc is not an issue. If you are a member of Hope Not Hate and have bullied , abused , intimidated , slandered and marginalized black people , immigrants , gays , moderate muslims and ex muslims it is also not a problem. If you are a member or supporter of Antifa and in that capacity have bullied and slandered decent people of all colours and ethnicities calling them scum and other such names then put your mind to rest – We in UKIP don’t have a problem with people joining from Antifa either . If you support the aims , objectives , values and practices of any of the above groups then put your mind at rest – We really honestly don’t care.
If you are a member of the media and have deliberately lied to the people of Britain and perhaps put their lives and liberties at risk , if you have criminally slandered those who defend and speak for the poor and marginalized and forgotten of Britain , well that is your private business. If you are a member of a mainstream political party which has resolutely refused to represent the poor and marginalized in society – if you have spread hatred and bigotry against the poor , the weak , the marginalized and have characterised them as racists and fascists and bigots ….well , don’t give it a thought. None of these things will bar you from membership of our party.
On the other hand however we don’t just let anyone in. If you are , or ever have been , a member of the English Defence League then you are not welcome. If you live in a poor deprived community where thousands and tens of thousands of children and young girls have been raped , trafficked and abused because they are white and vulnerable and you in turn have responded to this by joining or supporting a street movement to stop it then we don’t want you. There is no place in UKIP for people like you.
Ever since Anne Marie Waters founded the For Britain Movement political party in late 2017 and more particularly since the recent Lewisham East by-election, more and more online voices can be heard asking if Anne Marie and For Britain are simply splitting the nationalist democratic vote. At a superficial glance it sounds like a reasonable question but of course the question also perhaps implies that they share a common aim or similar values. Are Anne Maire Waters and Gerrard Batten two sides of the same political coin ?
At a FLA march in Birmingham in july 2018 Anne Marie stated ” I have heard it all through the years….you will offend the moderates with your language……you will offend moderate muslims with your language……I don’t care if they are offended because I’m offended by female genital mutilation , I’m offended by child marriage and forced marriage and honour violence and all the other horrors that this religion is bringing to our society. I will say so and I don’t give a damn who is offended. If you join with me I will never back down “. At the same march Anne Marie stated ” For Britain was formed with one primary purpose in mind and that primary purpose is to tell the truth”.
There is no need to ask what Anne Marie Waters really stands for. It is as clear and as transparent as anything can be. We don’t have to read between the lines. We know exactly what we are voting for. But what about Gerard Batten ? Is it clear exactly what this man and his political party stand for ?.
In an interview with Tommy Robinson shown on Youtube Robinson , referring to Susan Evans , asked Batten if it was time to drain the UKIP swamp. He reminded Batten that Evans had spread the slander that he Robinson and Anne Marie Waters were racist bigots. Battens response was that different people had different opinions and more or less that was fine. In the same interview Batten repeats the same slander when the EDL are mentioned. Batten condemns the EDL and the good people they represents with the same contempt as any Labour Party apologist for Islam might display. And Gerard Batten understands that calling people racist can have fatal consequences. He understands better than most as the same charges and accusations have been made against him. But the real question here is what does Batten and UKIP stand for. Whatever it is it is very different to what Anne Marie is saying.