Tag: hope not hate

TOMMY ROBINSON JOINING UKIP?

In the last few days Tommy Robinson has stated that he will join UKIP if he is permitted to do so. There is a ban on members and past members of the EDL and other groups from joining UKIP but Gerard Batten , UKIP’s leader , has indicated that this ban might be lifted in the case of Robinson. In a YouTube video Robinson challenged the UKIP NEC to permit the membership to vote on the issue. Since then that is what in fact has happened and the matter will be voted on by members of UKIP at their next annual conference in a few months time.

UKIP’s ban on members or past member of the EDL joining UKIP will remain in place but there is no ban on members of the labour party or members of Stand Up To Racist , Hope Not Hate and other such extreme and divisive groups. There is , in short , no UKIP ban when it comes to people who call black people , immigrants , white people , gays and anyone else who raises concerns about Islamic immigration scum. The fact that Robinson is willing , and seemingly anxious , to join UKIP in spite of this is not a good reflection on Robinson himself.  Batten’s contempt for the EDL and Robinson is very clear in an interview between the two men which was posted on YouTube not long ago.  In this interview Robinson asks Batten about the fact that he ( Robinson ) has been called racist and bigoted by senior figures within UKIP which Batten cynically dismisses as simply a manifestation of free speech within the party. Batten has only started speaking out about Islam since Anne Marie Waters , herself an ex UKIP member and an outspoken critic of Islam , started her own  For Britain Movement party.  Ironically Batten recently stated that while members of For Britain were welcome to join UKIP Waters herself was not.

The EDL is not and never has been a racist organisation. It has had , and still has , more than its fair share of blacks , gays , jews and immigrants within its ranks. It is however , in spite of this , despised and condemned as racist , bigoted and far right.  The fact that it is a movement whose membership is made up , in large part , of people from very deprived communities and sometimes dysfunctional families and backgrounds means that they are fair game for every bigot and anti white , anti working class hate filled individual who wants to vent his or her hatred in a society where it no longer acceptable to abuse marginalized people as it once might have been. There is a huge class element to all this…….’ unfortunately many working class people  are themselves more than happy to vilify these people in the most ignorant and hateful language.. You can , and people do , call members of the EDL names that if addressed towards anyone else would certainly lead to a criminal conviction on the grounds of hate speech.  The fact that UKIP has singled out these most vulnerable of people is unforgivable and should leave no doubts in the minds of reasonable people as to the true nature of this political party but in spite of this huge numbers of mostly working class people are taken in and are joining UKIP.  There is an excellent speech by Anne Marie Waters during which she is asked about Batten’s sudden interest in the Islam question which I would recommend everyone to watch.

It is possible , some would argue even likely , that the membership of UKIP will reject any application for membership made by Robinson and from UKIP’s point of view it is far from obvious that it would be a good move on their part to grant him that membership. It could , in fact , be the final nail in the coffin for UKIP.  Either way it is sure to damage Robinson’s reputation and standing as a working class hero and divide the working class / democratic / nationalist vote and the broader anti -multiculturalism movement.  Yes , we are living in interesting times – and thttps://wordpress.com/post/forbritainforum.com/165e hey are becoming more interestinger and interestinger by the minute……………….

since posting this Robinson’s application has been denied…………..https://wordpress.com/post/forbritainforum.com/165

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IS BRITISH DEMOCRACY DEAD

Is British democracy dead ? Is it possible for a party such as For Britain , or indeed any non mainstream political party to succeed or even hope to succeed in Britain today ?   In the last few weeks Anne Marie Waters has appealed for financial donations from members of The For Britain Movement to cover the cost of private security – this in the wake of violence and intimidation suffered by her supporters and others at the Lewisham East by – election hustings where a mob of Stand Up To Racism activists managed to close down the event.  Is democracy even possible when elected politicians can no longer speak to their constituency and voters are abused and threatened by far left thugs while the police just stand back and let it happen ?

Just a few days ago For Britain members were escorted by Durham Constabulary –  ” for their own protection ”  – from a Durham Miners Gala event.  Slandered by the press and psychically prevented by far left thugs from holding any form of public meeting it seems it is now  simply impossible for For Britain to conduct any form of normal public political activity.  Social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter sensor and even ban so-called ‘ far right ‘ opinion. Youtube demonetize anyone who is seen as favouring ‘alternative’ opinion or who questions the mainstream narrative or simple tell unwanted truths.. Is it possible , can any reasonable person claim that it is possible to engage in normal healthy political debate in a climate such as this ?  And without open debate can anyone honestly claim that we are still living in a democratic society ?

I am an older man and a life long liberal who now finds himself living in a Orwellian nightmare – as I write this my radio is on in the background and they are talking about ‘populism’ and the threat of ‘ the far right ‘  here in Ireland and across Europe..- it is endless , this stream of propaganda and misinformation on the air waves. It is literally endless – not a single dissenting voice is to be heard , not a single counter argument or dissenting view is to be heard.  And as the Irish ‘ ex journalist ‘ John Waters has stated in his Youtube lecture , Ireland And The End of Debate ,  it is no longer a matter of  someone like you or I  being simply  wrong  in our opinion but rather being seen as morally deficient for holding any such opinions in the first place.  Indeed , the tone of moral superiority with which the media declaim their new gospel is reminiscent of some puritan past which has come back to haunt and mock us with its vicious intolerance.

Can any sane tolerant person call this democracy or liberalism ?  But that is precisely what these people do claim. They talk of European social democratic liberal values which they claim they are defending against far right fascism and reaction.  Trump , Le Pen , Widers , not to mention  Anne Marie Waters , are dismissed as rabble- rousers and demagogues who feed off the bigotry and ignorance inherent in the working class and lower orders. Their contempt for the poor or less well-educated is total , undisguised and dangerous. Their heartless abandonment of women and children victims of  Muslim rape gangs is spine chilling and terrifying.

Meanwhile , back in the real world , Anne Marie Waters is traveling the length and breath of Britain organising new branches of the For Britain Movement but these meeting must be kept secret – those interested notified by private email hours before the event lest the ever vigilant  Stand Up To Racism/ Hope Not Hate get wind of it and intimidate any would- be attendees and shut it down .

And if democracy no longer exists , if it is simply no longer possible to pursue ones political ambitions in a peaceful democratic fashion is it time to consider a new strategy. This is not an academic question , it is a question that many are privately  asking themselves …………and it is a reasonable question.

IMAGE AND SUBSTANCE ANNE MARIE WATERS

Simon Harris , on his European Freedom website , says of Anne Marie Waters –

” I must admit I don’t like her one little bit. I also have doubts about her image … the scruffy jackets, unclean hair and insincere look will make it difficult for her to convince a broad swathe of the British public as will the fact that she is a hard-drinking lesbian Zionist who’s not even British born.

In fairness to Harris  it must be said he is quite happy to complement Anne Marie on her political stance – though not on her appearance , from time to time . And he is not the only one to express concern about how she presents herself. There are a substantial number of Hope Not Hate types who are ever eager to make disparaging comments on Anne Marie’s appearance when they run out of political insults to throw at her. It would  be easy of course to ignore all this were it not for the fact that even some of her own  For Britain members often feel the need to ask her to make a little more effort on her appearance  when she is doing her video broadcasts on Youtube.

When she is not being insulted by her enemies or gently nudged by her followers to improve her look she occasionally is given advice –

” If I were advising AMW ( I don’t know why she hasn’t asked me yet) I’d say if you are serious about your leadership bid, you need to consider your image. If other politicians have to do so, then so should you. Rather than present yourself as an “I don’t care what I look like” lesbian, you might take a leaf out of the Ruth Davidson book. Get a decent haircut, a hint of lipstick and a tailored jacket. You can be smart and still be butch. Work on that troubled look. Big smile. ”

While all this is amusing in its way there is a serious side to it.  Image is important and many feel her image is all wrong and even off-putting. I am not on social media so don’t know what people are saying there but I’m quite active on Youtube and if the comments sections are anything to go by then there are very many who feel that she is putting herself at a severe disadvantage by her casual approach to her own image.  Anne Marie has said that people will just have to take her as she is and this of course is fine and even admirable but is it a good political strategy ?

Personally I am quite happy with the image she projects but I can understand how some people might feel that it is unprofessional and that it sends out the wrong impression. If , many would argue , she can’t bother to make herself look smart , well…….. And as the poet Partick Kavanagh once wrote    .” a man is what is written on the label / and the passing world stares but no on stops / to look closer ” . But first impressions matter , we all know that.  On the other hand some like her , trust her , because she is natural and unaffected in her manner and appearance.  You pays your money and takes your pick !

A MESSAGE FROM UKIP

If you a member or supporter of Stand Up To Racism this is no barrier to becoming a member of UKIP. The fact that members of this group regularly abuse , intimidate and bully black people , brown people , white people , immigrants and gays etc is not an issue.  If you are a member of Hope Not Hate and have bullied , abused , intimidated , slandered and marginalized black people , immigrants , gays , moderate muslims and ex muslims it is also not a problem. If you are a member or supporter of Antifa and in that capacity have bullied and slandered decent people of all colours and ethnicities calling them scum and other such names then put your mind to rest – We in UKIP don’t have a problem with people joining from Antifa either . If you support the aims , objectives , values and practices of any of the above groups then put your mind at rest – We really honestly don’t care.

If you are a member of the media and have deliberately lied to the people of Britain and perhaps put their lives and liberties at risk , if you have criminally slandered those who defend and speak for the poor and marginalized and forgotten of Britain , well that is your private business. If you are a member of a mainstream political party which has resolutely refused to represent the poor and marginalized in society – if you have spread hatred and bigotry against the poor , the weak , the marginalized and have characterised  them as racists and fascists and bigots ….well , don’t give it a thought.  None of these things will bar you from membership of our party.

On the other hand however we don’t just let anyone in.  If you are , or ever have been , a member of the English Defence League then you are not welcome. If you live in a poor deprived community where thousands and tens of thousands of children and young girls have been raped , trafficked and abused because they are white and vulnerable and you in turn have responded to this by joining or supporting a street movement to stop it then  we don’t want you.   There is no place in UKIP for people like you.